Tweets from Beyond the PDF 2
March 22, 2013,
I had an amazing time at
Beyond the PDF
2 in Amsterdam (March 19-20). I
met so many of the people whose blogs I've been following, did a demo of
my open academic workflow,
gave a 3 minute pitch for "Why we need an open alternative to Google
which I won a shared second place, and came back filled with ideas and
connections. I hope to write a series of blog posts highlighting some of
the things I saw and heard at the conference, but I thought I'd start by
posting an archive of my tweets.
I've done this a few times before, from
Critical Point of
in Bangalore, Learning Analytics
Conference ( and
in Banff, and
in Geneva, and even created a
on how to generate this list using TextMate. This time, I grabbed the
archive from Bodong's Twitter analytics
app, and used R to select only my tweets. I
cleaned them up a bit, removed some purely housekeeping ones, and added
a bunch of links for context.
This archive will also be useful for myself in reminding me what we
talked about, things to follow up on, etc.
Before the conference
Amsterdam beer and talking semantic publications with @pixievondust
and @jschneider, great opening to
#btpdf2! Looking forward
till tmrw Day 1
RT @kaythaney: .@pgroth kicks off with a challenge:
what would you
do with \$1K today to make research communication
(note ... Twitter ecosystem slowly being suffocated, and I find myself using
it less and less, but for conferences still where it's at.
Kathleen Fitzpatrick opening.
Notes from her talk "Peer-to-Peer
Review and Networked Scholarly
@jeroenbosman Are any of these really suited for today? Why so much
focus on italics etc when we can use URLs, DOIs etc? (genuine q)
Fitzpatrick's mom when publishers couldn't publish her monograph
bec. of commercial concerns. "They were expecting to make money?"
"You could just publish your entire monograph online, with reviewer
comments - but I know that's not realistic"... @kfitz: "Why not?"
Anyone researching the future of scholarly meetings? Been to some
innovative confs, but would love to see research, documentation
"learning at conferences" should be a field of study (want 2 see
learning scientists use learning theories to rsrch rsrch)
@rmounce Remember that "theoretically" many may read the monograph
at a library. Many journals with only 400 subscribers too.
@petermurrayrust What's your definition of citizen hackers?
Give grad students researching in other countries grants to help
#1k Re 400 monographs sold,
my MA thesis was downloaded 1600
so I guess I'm doing OK :) Would be great if you could do some
data viz/analysis of
tweets, @bodongchen like #MOOCs and -
22,000 students using OA papers in their learning. Powerful
argument for #OA
@rubp Cool, would love to come. I've also been playing with
scholarly workflow - lit review
Wish name tags were bigger - know so many people here but not
.@edsu Giving a vision talk
"Why we need an open alternative to
tomorrow. Happy to discuss! .@AubreyMcFato @edsu @doajplus Yeah, one of a number of projects
that it would be great to build on - so much unexplored potential
@edsu Journals should ping a server w/bib* metadata, like blogs.
Standardized micro data. Importing existing databases. CommonCrawl
Love idea of reproducible research, see these cool showcases of
.@jschneider @aubreymcfato @edsu @doajplus Breakout on
OpenScholarSearch - let's make it happen, when/where?
Compare diff aka search sites w my name
GScholar wins... Wrote up a bunch of unfinished detailed ideas for
a social reading
hub, much applies to
#OpenScholarSearch @neuro_cloud Not sure if Reddit is the best tool for this, but
doesn't hurt to try.
Funny disembodied conference, saw two old friends tweeting with,
excited to meet them in person - both are not here :)
For people who see #RDALaunch hashtag and want to know what it's
@axfelix There will be a lot of new innovation in RSS readers in the
next 6 months... Is GSch similarly stifling innovation? #goodenuf
@Protohedgehog They also
funded 33 students to attend, pretty
amazing. Let them try to keep up as we try to out-innovate them.
.@axfelix GScholar has no API,
and there will not be
one - pretty crucial. @axfelix Is that an argument for or against? I also want to interact
with aka search, don't have lot's of ppl to de-engineer...
@axfelix I think (hope) there are ppl attending who do believe in
overthrowing global capitalism (or GSch)... we can build sth better!
@Dreusicke I like being able to download data and display/process
how I want. Only on the web like DRM - could disappear tomorrow.
Backchannel has been great, but I'm worried that it will fade after
lunch as everyone start running out of juice... #no-power-plugs
@axfelix Makes me think of all the congratulatory tech news stories
about use of Linux in China. Reality is almost Win-monoculture
@juancommander glob south, I'd love to see issue of language raised
as well, maybe more central to socsci/humanities than hard sci?
@axfelix I think bandwidth and lack of ubiquitous/always-on access
is much bigger problem (and maybe access to devices/mobile)
Journal of open research
software sounds great.
Online journals and faster horses
RT @jschneider: Brian Hole: "Articles are so '60's" -- with image of
Philosophical Transactions 1665
RT @juancommander: @jasonpriem doesn't mind the little time because
he talks twice as fast, he gets double the words per minute
@juancommander looking forward to my 3 min vision talk tmrw
I'm so used to watching Coursera lectures at 2x speed so Jason was
like slowmo for me ;) #going-going-gone
RT @CameronNeylon: 11-16 million hours spent each year on reviewing
papers that get rejected just in WoS..that's around 1000 years ...
Kaveh on copy editing "we read it many times so you only need to
read it once"
Kaveh: one very complex page of journal w math can take 2000 lines
RT @rmounce: The blog post should be the 'Version of Record'. Dump
XML, make HTML-5 the base VoR standard @kaveh1000
Interesting point by Murray Rust regarding the need for typesetters,
with good incentives, people can do it themselves
This panel is highlight so far, so many neat projects! How can
people get involved,
I'll be graduating in 2 years and looking for a job. A job board for
people who care abt sci2.0 and openness?
Funny w where presenters can't do live demos, presenter suggests
beyond the PowerPoint conference ;)
@juancommander how about independent open access journals w no
@juancommander many journals say they'll waive them for those who
can't pay. Not sure how works in practice
@rmounce we're doing
institutional research on that at
utoronto. And I think many other
institutions are as well #Peter Murray Rust talks about the "scholarly poor" - non
academics, SMEs, etc. Making the case for research funding.
@kelli_barr not just access to Western rsrch, when doing rsrch on
Indo libr, easier to find Western than loc rsrch, not digital
@kaythaney @neuro_cloud which includes language
RT @kaythaney: I love that "we all
know we're moving towards Open
Access" is an understood, throwaway comment in this crowd. #oa Anyone going out for beer and more food after this? Or everyone
jetlagged and tired? :)
Academics reading almost twice as many articles per year as in 1977.
Huge increase with e-access, beginning to level off.
( report) RT @anitawaard: 80% increase in nr of article readings; 30 %
descrease in time per article read - unsustainable trend! Tenopir
I must've shown
wiki to a lot of people
yesterday, given how many pages I had to remove this AM Insightful, how do we address this? RT @mfenner
The Price of
Innovation - my Thoughts for Beyond the
RT @petermurrayrust: Almost no mention of #scholarlypoor - OUTSIDE
academia. Usually called "consumers". T ...
RT @petermurrayrust:. Anyone present want to challenge the system
and create a bottom up OPEN infrastructure for #scholarly comm ...
Excited about "Making it happen" session - although shouldn't that
be the two day conference, rather than 1.5 h? :)
@jschneider @tac_niso Also wonder about other submission formats -
anyone accept papers in Markdown?
Haven't talked much about authoring tools/workflows here. Anyone
@mfenner Wish we had more time for breakout sessions (more sessions). Several
things I want to talk to people about
Reuse of scholarly slides at #btpdf2, very cutting edge :)
RT @CameronNeylon: I want to lock all the developer groups in a room
until we agree a path to an interoperating ecosystem. Then ...
@CameronNeylon Is there an empirical study of how often locking
people in rooms lead to solutions? It seems like a common idea! :)
3 min vision talks are the
last session today. Maybe it should be the first, so we could spend
day planning/implementing? #btpdf3 @CameronNeylon So we just need 500 people to tweet with #1k
@kerim @ilya @mfenner
neat, how can we push this forward? I'd like to be involved.
#lets-make-it-happen @InfoFuturesNYU @datadryad Eating dogfood, brilliant. Data about
data sharing by scientists, openly available.
Hackfest to create tools/workflows/documentation on using Scholarly
Markdown+Git for academic authoring/collab #1k @CameronNeylon
@TAC_NISO @ianmulvany @cameronneylon And all ideas look more
brilliant when sketched on napkins! Need napkin.js
Would have loved to see @xieyihui from
knitr and @fperez_org from IPython
Notebook at this conf, executable
docs->beyond PDF Graeme Hirst: Post-modernists are high-verbiage, zero logic. Vs
people who only talk in LaTeX-math mode. Great talk! @graemehirst
@petermurrayrust @okfn Would have loved to join
Always tricky to get funding. (I'm ironically here because of
Elsevier) RT @petermurrayrust: We shouldn't spend so much time talking, we
should be doing and creating
@pgroth @petermurrayrust People travel across the world anyway, have
an extra day of "doing"... just need a location with wifi+power
RT @anitawaard: .@erwinverb
@cgueret There was a call to design it, don't know how far they got.
CriticMarkup interesting for collab
@utopiadocs How I embed
rdr in my workflow-love
highlight, export clips, and AppleScript support. Five min flash talks - nice warm up for 3 min vision talks later
today. Great with pitches, call for action
@anitawaard` is amazing
like always - great example of how lab research is actually
documented in US labs RT @jschneider Sensemaking involves collage-based manipulation of
electronic, born-digital materials, printed and annotated on paper.
Graft tools closely on scientists' daily practice. (Why
"anthropological studies" of researchers important,
etc) @anitawaard Love the X-Files theme when speakers go over their time
Love the work
teaching sw devel practices to scientists. Who're teaching them new
research workflows/tools/publ? #1k @researchremix Will need more than #1k, but brilliant idea. YC and
HN are big inspirations
#incubator-for-schol-comm-startups RT @researchremix: #1k A YC/techstars incubator for scholarly
communication startups. Mentorship, leg up in biz, marketing, fun
@researchremix Does it also require more work on funding models? Can
we pitch VCs on funding projects with open source/OA etc?
PKP XML tool looks awesome, was shocked
when I first realised OJS didn't have document pipeline, very happy
to see this! @axfelix Out of the box NLM-compatible styles is huge, the PKP doing this is
@phillord You can generate HTML, PDF etc from NLM XML. Semantic vs
Great that @rmounce is
talking about PDF
I've been frustrated over this for a long time! Let's go for
#low-hanging fruit! Everyone should read this:
Why can't I manage academic papers like
MP3s? #pdfmetadata Yes, I want publications tagged with whether they are OA, license...
Only on the web, but after I downloaded, how do I know? #rmounce
talk on #
ORCID, excited about potential,
looking forward to seeing them more in the wild "There is no problem if you just give me more money and use my tool"
... so true :)
@pixievondust What does use constitute? I have one, and I'd love to
tag my pubs etc, but not sure of journals who support that etc.
The revolution will not be
#scholrev RT @conjugateprior: What is Word doing in #Btpdf2 workflows? Like a
family gathering where everyone tries to ignore your psychopathic un
RT @petermurrayrust: ~25 revolutionaries met at lunch . Will
coordinate under hashtag #scholrev (tag seems to be fairly free)
RT @maurice_: #scholrev find the low hanging fruit AND put up an
inspiring vision far beyond the PDF
@rmounce @gbilder Nice, seen
some impressive stuff from CrossRef
lately - need to look more
into! #pdfmetadata RT @openscience: Lovely:
@bodongchen's #Shiny app for tweet
Most active tweeters at @houshuang, @pgroth, @rmounce and @kaythaney
RT @GullyAPCBurns: how could knowledge engineering researchers work
with publishers to be more effectively as a community to inn ...
"Universities are big bags of researchers who have a shared need for
Crowdsourcing vision talk on Alternative to Google Scholar:
notes here, help me
#scholrevo @houshuang 28 concurrent viewers in Vision talk document, I love you
all, you're crazy! :) #scholrevo (leave names and I'll cite u)
Lot's of great ideas at Vision talk "Open alternative to Google
Scholar" doc, thanks all! #scholrev
RT @neuro_cloud: @battagliaem I would like to see more
breakout/work groups. So many ideas need to translate to works!
#BTPDF2 #BTPDF3 ...
How about recognition for activists - many work hard on deep ideas,
but difficult to publish them, #should-be-working-on-my-phd
@ianmulvany PS: loved
blog post about
Used it in 2 presentations about OA @ambrouk
I had the idea of a "fair trade" logo for publications 5
includes #OA, and translation After lunch
@mfenner wish it was more extensible
Pandoc), I'd like the
citations to have links to my wiki - plugins, filters without
learning Haskell RT @dshotton:
To escape ISI, open your citation data! See Open
Giving public talk about ≤a
Science at KU Leuven tomorrow #oa
The Google Doc from my
will transition to a strategy/planning document, add name&ideas if
interested Just gave talk abt
open scholar search, what a rush. The
@mfenner it's hard to be subtle in 3 mins but I'm actually all abt
coordination as opposed to reinvention
@mfenner again, let's do it. I can't do even a fraction by myself,
eager to contribute to projects that can.
@phillord my ideal is citations just list of unique identifiers.
User/app can render any way they want.
@lukask @phillord any journal accepting markdown+btex file?
publishing these alongside HTML etc? Maybe modify
Jekyll for jrnl
@mfenner @lukask @phillord happy to. Know of any
bibjson ruby libraries? otherwise we
should make it @axfelix does it accept markdown as well? Is this released in
OJS or when coming? Sounds awesome and
overdue #ojs #Kaveh: publishers, give us XML. Yes! Publishers: format is not
your business. Want to read in my house style. Yes!
#ah the perils of live demos on others' computers, very brave!
#very impressive by Kaveh! Why we need d/l-able files, control to
readers not platforms.
Kaveh: It's not for sale, but you can get it at a very good price.
Publishers whatever, how can I get my PhD thesis into XLM w/I ppl in
RT @memartone: Feel free to propose that we all use ORCID ID as part
of the FORCE11 pledge. If the issue has been settled, let ...
RT @axfelix: I think it's quite telling that @kaveh1000 is killing
it at with -- what's this? -- a PDF generation pipeline. beca ...
RT @mfenner: Popular vote for best idea goes to Carol Goble,
@houshuang and @kaveh1000 They also get my vote, cool ideas, and w
@rguha not sure I agree. A lot of my friends happy editing wikis,
short step to Markdown, huge step to latex.
Looking forward to videos becoming available from - stream is down.
Some things so good I want to see again / share.
RT @TAC_NISO: Transcribed version (with draft intro from me) of
Amsterdam Manifesto for Data
Thoughts please ...
March 22, 2013
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