Comments on: Open Scholars and Divergence/Convergence, Groups/Networks http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/04/19/open-scholars-and-divergence-convergence/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 13 May 2012 01:00:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Presentation: Viewing Open Education from the Perspectives of Knowledge Building and Connectivism | Random Stuff that Matters http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/04/19/open-scholars-and-divergence-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-3540 Presentation: Viewing Open Education from the Perspectives of Knowledge Building and Connectivism | Random Stuff that Matters Wed, 09 Jun 2010 03:57:53 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=485#comment-3540 [...] wrote earlier about preparing to give a guest lecture in a class called KMD 1002: Knowledge Communities: Patterns [...] [...] wrote earlier about preparing to give a guest lecture in a class called KMD 1002: Knowledge Communities: Patterns [...]

]]> By: Le futur de l’éducation ! En vidéo ? « Techniques innovantes pour l'enseignement supérieur http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/04/19/open-scholars-and-divergence-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-2851 Le futur de l’éducation ! En vidéo ? « Techniques innovantes pour l'enseignement supérieur Mon, 03 May 2010 16:43:55 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=485#comment-2851 [...] Haklev, dans un post intitulé Open Scholars and Divergence/Convergence, Groups/Networks conseille chaleureusement la présentation de George Siemens à TEDxNYED. Je pense donc commencer [...] [...] Haklev, dans un post intitulé Open Scholars and Divergence/Convergence, Groups/Networks conseille chaleureusement la présentation de George Siemens à TEDxNYED. Je pense donc commencer [...]

]]> By: Guest lecture for a KMDI course « DrEff’s Weblog http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/04/19/open-scholars-and-divergence-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-2844 Guest lecture for a KMDI course « DrEff’s Weblog Mon, 03 May 2010 02:11:26 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=485#comment-2844 [...] 2, 2010 at 10:11 pm (Grad School, My Research) Like Stian, I’ve been invited to give a talk for a course at University of Toronto’s Knowledge [...] [...] 2, 2010 at 10:11 pm (Grad School, My Research) Like Stian, I’ve been invited to give a talk for a course at University of Toronto’s Knowledge [...]

]]> By: Ruth Howard http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/04/19/open-scholars-and-divergence-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-2817 Ruth Howard Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:46:33 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=485#comment-2817 Hello Stian I perceive a real generosity in your transparent and very apparent learning thanks. I am thinking about how to make my learning more transparent. I enjoyed your call for open scholarship. I understand that the pay off for hiding knowledge no longer applies? But it's still a transition time and there will be much that I cannot know as I'm not an academic. I think that this type of delivery that edfutures affords encourages the same serendipitous connections that surfing the web and neurons themselves make. It's like my mind is searching for solutions for making the connections solving the puzzle and the next piece appears. But then I can be guilty of seeing what I want to in any given resource. Still I like the discovery aspect it is it's own reward and I feel grateful to find you! Hello Stian I perceive a real generosity in your transparent and very apparent learning thanks. I am thinking about how to make my learning more transparent. I enjoyed your call for open scholarship. I understand that the pay off for hiding knowledge no longer applies? But it’s still a transition time and there will be much that I cannot know as I’m not an academic.

I think that this type of delivery that edfutures affords encourages the same serendipitous connections that surfing the web and neurons themselves make. It’s like my mind is searching for solutions for making the connections solving the puzzle and the next piece appears. But then I can be guilty of seeing what I want to in any given resource. Still I like the discovery aspect it is it’s own reward and I feel grateful to find you!

]]> By: houshuang http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/04/19/open-scholars-and-divergence-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-2779 houshuang Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:34:51 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=485#comment-2779 Hi Najmeh, thanks a lot for the comment. Yes, I think we are seeing a lot of interesting tools that try to make it easier to bring together information, however so far most of the tools I have seen have been trying to "choose the wheat from the chaff" so people don't drown in from the fire hose, which is valuable in itself. But I haven't seen that many tools or platforms that let/or encourage you to really work with the information to build something new, and deeper (or higher order)... Jim Hewitt has the idea of combining a wiki with a discussion forum, to combine the "stream of conversation" with the "integrative" aspect of a collaboratively edited wiki. I would still love to hear more about the difference between a wiki and knowledge forum, but I wonder if that could be one way - if people could somehow be induced to update a wiki, as they post on their blogs around the world... But how to induce/facilitate that? And I suppose it would become less useful, the less agreed the group was about what their common object of learning/inquiry were? In some ways though, it's like a survey article. And I've often wished there were really good survey articles maintained more like a wiki, and less like something that is published and then becomes obsolete. There are lot's of fields I'd like to move into, where I feel immediately lost, not "knowing the landscape"... (This goes for countries and languages too - I'd love to know what the "state of the art" in Chinese research on OER is, but I have no idea where to start). Stian Hi Najmeh, thanks a lot for the comment.
Yes, I think we are seeing a lot of interesting tools that try to make it easier to bring together information, however so far most of the tools I have seen have been trying to "choose the wheat from the chaff" so people don't drown in from the fire hose, which is valuable in itself. But I haven't seen that many tools or platforms that let/or encourage you to really work with the information to build something new, and deeper (or higher order)…

Jim Hewitt has the idea of combining a wiki with a discussion forum, to combine the "stream of conversation" with the "integrative" aspect of a collaboratively edited wiki. I would still love to hear more about the difference between a wiki and knowledge forum, but I wonder if that could be one way – if people could somehow be induced to update a wiki, as they post on their blogs around the world… But how to induce/facilitate that? And I suppose it would become less useful, the less agreed the group was about what their common object of learning/inquiry were?

In some ways though, it's like a survey article. And I've often wished there were really good survey articles maintained more like a wiki, and less like something that is published and then becomes obsolete. There are lot's of fields I'd like to move into, where I feel immediately lost, not "knowing the landscape"… (This goes for countries and languages too – I'd love to know what the "state of the art" in Chinese research on OER is, but I have no idea where to start).
Stian

]]> By: Najmeh http://reganmian.net/blog/2010/04/19/open-scholars-and-divergence-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-2778 Najmeh Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:26:27 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=485#comment-2778 ha! it's funny because I was thinking along the same lines last night - well, I'll tell you how differently . I know KB well enough, but I'm only beginning to know George Siemens, David Cormier, etc. When I was learning about Knowledge Building, I didn't think of it along convergence & divergence, but rather graphs and nodes and trees (I LOVED linear algebra ;) ... and how, the problem is that some nodes remain childless ... and how might that be rectified? (back then, I didn't know too much about "open" anything, I thought the solution would be a longitudinal one - connecting ideas not across space, but across time.) Now, as I am looking through connectivism and looking at their mapping of networks ... it seems to me (at this uneducated point) that this will only work if each cluster in the network is a well connected graph. - the algebraic connectivity of a graph being the second smallest eigenvalue of the graph Laplacian, and a measure of how well connected the graph is. It's kind of like the problem reversed in a way. And I wonder if there could be computational models that could reshape the network, I'm sure that a lot of times, the clusters can be reordered to look different, and maybe even better connected. But you're right, within individual clusters, something like a more robust KF might work wonders ... rambling again ... sorry :-P ha! it's funny because I was thinking along the same lines last night – well, I'll tell you how differently . I know KB well enough, but I'm only beginning to know George Siemens, David Cormier, etc.

When I was learning about Knowledge Building, I didn't think of it along convergence & divergence, but rather graphs and nodes and trees (I LOVED linear algebra ;) … and how, the problem is that some nodes remain childless … and how might that be rectified? (back then, I didn't know too much about "open" anything, I thought the solution would be a longitudinal one – connecting ideas not across space, but across time.)

Now, as I am looking through connectivism and looking at their mapping of networks … it seems to me (at this uneducated point) that this will only work if each cluster in the network is a well connected graph. – the algebraic connectivity of a graph being the second smallest eigenvalue of the graph Laplacian, and a measure of how well connected the graph is. It's kind of like the problem reversed in a way.

And I wonder if there could be computational models that could reshape the network, I'm sure that a lot of times, the clusters can be reordered to look different, and maybe even better connected.

But you're right, within individual clusters, something like a more robust KF might work wonders …

rambling again … sorry :-P

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