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	<title>Comments on: On critically engaging with other people&#8217;s writing</title>
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		<title>By: Xenia</title>
		<link>http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/06/09/on-critically-engaging-with-other-peoples-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-2333</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you took the time to read a post on my (German!) blog and didn&#039;t critizise me at all, let me suggest, that the quantity of criticism does not nessecerily correlate with the quality of the content of a text. Still, I agree, criticism is a strong driving force in intellectual endeavors. But I wouldn&#039;t take this fallibilistic view to far. I think one reason some blogs have more comments is that they serve a different function. For instance, I often don&#039;t comment on blogs, because I feel self-conscious about my English writing. (I&#039;m working on that as you see ; -) That doesn&#039;t make me a less engaged and critical reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you took the time to read a post on my (German!) blog and didn&#8217;t critizise me at all, let me suggest, that the quantity of criticism does not nessecerily correlate with the quality of the content of a text. Still, I agree, criticism is a strong driving force in intellectual endeavors. But I wouldn&#8217;t take this fallibilistic view to far. I think one reason some blogs have more comments is that they serve a different function. For instance, I often don&#8217;t comment on blogs, because I feel self-conscious about my English writing. (I&#8217;m working on that as you see ; -) That doesn&#8217;t make me a less engaged and critical reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Fekete</title>
		<link>http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/06/09/on-critically-engaging-with-other-peoples-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-2215</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Fekete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Now that you&#039;ve deleted the spam, it looks like I&#039;m referring to other legitimate commenters.  Good, good.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Now that you&#8217;ve deleted the spam, it looks like I&#8217;m referring to other legitimate commenters.  Good, good.)</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Fekete</title>
		<link>http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/06/09/on-critically-engaging-with-other-peoples-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-2212</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Fekete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoya, Stian.  Looks like Akismet missed a couple of goons.

As impact-factor metrics become more sophisticated and sensitive to online publication, it seems to me that systematic criticism could be &quot;popularized&quot; by increasing the impact of the criticized author and ameliorating ego-bruising.  There could be safeguards to predict and reward validity, and to take into account the difference of career maturity between the publisher and the reviewer.

Though, the fact that I&#039;m suggesting this probably means that it&#039;s already been thought of, developed, implemented, and discredited by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoya, Stian.  Looks like Akismet missed a couple of goons.</p>
<p>As impact-factor metrics become more sophisticated and sensitive to online publication, it seems to me that systematic criticism could be &#8220;popularized&#8221; by increasing the impact of the criticized author and ameliorating ego-bruising.  There could be safeguards to predict and reward validity, and to take into account the difference of career maturity between the publisher and the reviewer.</p>
<p>Though, the fact that I&#8217;m suggesting this probably means that it&#8217;s already been thought of, developed, implemented, and discredited by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C. Harris</title>
		<link>http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/06/09/on-critically-engaging-with-other-peoples-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-2186</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C. Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criticism is scary to give and scary to receive for most people, but the fact that you stopped and thought about it meant that you were right to deliver it. Your criticism of Sean&#039;s work was balanced and obviously well intentioned. The hierarchy matters not a jot.

Of course, that&#039;s all in an ideal world. There will always be people who can&#039;t handle criticism, even if it&#039;s accurate and delivered well :)

Oh, and as for length, my thesis (in Australia) is expected to be around 80,000 to 100,000 words, not including appendices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criticism is scary to give and scary to receive for most people, but the fact that you stopped and thought about it meant that you were right to deliver it. Your criticism of Sean&#8217;s work was balanced and obviously well intentioned. The hierarchy matters not a jot.</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s all in an ideal world. There will always be people who can&#8217;t handle criticism, even if it&#8217;s accurate and delivered well :)</p>
<p>Oh, and as for length, my thesis (in Australia) is expected to be around 80,000 to 100,000 words, not including appendices.</p>
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		<title>By: Stian Håklev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stian Håklev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marta, I see that you found it later. Yeah, there was a lot more substantial stuff. But the length is interesting, because what exactly _is_ required to get a PhD? and how is a PhD different from an MA? or a BA honors thesis? Especially since requirements can wary so much from country to country - in Canada it typically takes something like 4 + 2 + 4-5 years (10-11 years in total) to get a PhD, whereas in Australia, it seems like you can do it in 6-7 (3+3-4)... 

If you look at my previous post, however, Ali, you will see that I pointed out a number of things that I would like to have seen expanded. And yes, I really think it is very hard to cover the depth of material required for a great PhD thesis in 45 double-spaced pages. Not saying it&#039;s impossible (especially in the sciences I guess, harder in the humanities)... But setting hard page requirements is tough, and it will get more difficult as we start embracing new forms of publishing... Many programs ask for articles instead... in the future, will a PhD be a wiki, a blog, a number of Twitter entries, a 15 minute documentary, and an audiobook? :) 

Thanks all for chiming in!

Stian, just arrived in Milan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marta, I see that you found it later. Yeah, there was a lot more substantial stuff. But the length is interesting, because what exactly _is_ required to get a PhD? and how is a PhD different from an MA? or a BA honors thesis? Especially since requirements can wary so much from country to country &#8211; in Canada it typically takes something like 4 + 2 + 4-5 years (10-11 years in total) to get a PhD, whereas in Australia, it seems like you can do it in 6-7 (3+3-4)&#8230; </p>
<p>If you look at my previous post, however, Ali, you will see that I pointed out a number of things that I would like to have seen expanded. And yes, I really think it is very hard to cover the depth of material required for a great PhD thesis in 45 double-spaced pages. Not saying it&#8217;s impossible (especially in the sciences I guess, harder in the humanities)&#8230; But setting hard page requirements is tough, and it will get more difficult as we start embracing new forms of publishing&#8230; Many programs ask for articles instead&#8230; in the future, will a PhD be a wiki, a blog, a number of Twitter entries, a 15 minute documentary, and an audiobook? :) </p>
<p>Thanks all for chiming in!</p>
<p>Stian, just arrived in Milan</p>
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		<title>By: Marta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So one thing I didn&#039;t get - have you published that criticism of that PhD thesis in the end? Is the 45 pages length the only criticism? You can do so much better than that ;) I think 45 pages is outrageous - a Ba thesis yes, an MA thesis perhaps but not a PhD. If someone babbles for 300 pages in their PhD that just means they missed the point of having this amount of space to make a meaningful contribution. Usually the problem is how to shorten the document, because while you do research, there is just so much that needs to be said and so little space. 

As to why I sometimes don&#039;t leave you comments - maybe because I prefer to talk to you directly on gchat :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So one thing I didn&#8217;t get &#8211; have you published that criticism of that PhD thesis in the end? Is the 45 pages length the only criticism? You can do so much better than that ;) I think 45 pages is outrageous &#8211; a Ba thesis yes, an MA thesis perhaps but not a PhD. If someone babbles for 300 pages in their PhD that just means they missed the point of having this amount of space to make a meaningful contribution. Usually the problem is how to shorten the document, because while you do research, there is just so much that needs to be said and so little space. </p>
<p>As to why I sometimes don&#8217;t leave you comments &#8211; maybe because I prefer to talk to you directly on gchat :)</p>
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		<title>By: Zaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stian,

First of all, you are Norwegian, and all Norwegians are brilliant whether they are black, white, red or blue (which fallacy did I just commit) :)

Seriously, I think you are brilliant, and when you write you explore issues in many angles making it very difficult to tear you apart. 

So, ordinary dudes like me don&#039;t know where to challenge, while super dudes (besides Downes) have little time (although they might read your posts) to tear them apart unless you challenge them or their ideas directly with some venom based on juicy facts :)

For example, just write a post (with some flavor) entitled &quot;David Wiley you are damn wrong!&quot;, and trust me you will get tons of replies :)


But then again if you don&#039;t get many comments on your blog, does not mean that your posts are not being challenged or appreciated elsewhere.

For example, I don&#039;t get many comments either, but I have come to discover that many of my posts are being shared and talked about here and there in other blogs/sites and retweeted on Twitter quite often.

But as people continue to discover you (and your ideas) and you challenge other educators on their blog (comments), I believe comments will increase and eventually your ideas will be torn apart.


For example, you statement, &quot;...I thought the 45 page PhD thesis was very short.&quot; is such a rubbish and poor argument :)

Why is a 45-page PhD thesis very short? Is it short, because most other PhD thesis babble for 200 pages, when they could perhaps have made their argument in 5 to 10 pages. 

What has the length of a paper to do with getting a PhD or fulfilling the requirements of a PhD thesis? Do I have to write more than 50,000 words (some places a requirement), if I could do it in 10,000 words? Could I get a PhD writing just 5 pages? 

What is really the objective of a PhD anyway? 

I suppose one can tear apart what I just said :)

Have a great day discovering and learning :)

Warm Regards,

Zaid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stian,</p>
<p>First of all, you are Norwegian, and all Norwegians are brilliant whether they are black, white, red or blue (which fallacy did I just commit) :)</p>
<p>Seriously, I think you are brilliant, and when you write you explore issues in many angles making it very difficult to tear you apart. </p>
<p>So, ordinary dudes like me don&#8217;t know where to challenge, while super dudes (besides Downes) have little time (although they might read your posts) to tear them apart unless you challenge them or their ideas directly with some venom based on juicy facts :)</p>
<p>For example, just write a post (with some flavor) entitled &#8220;David Wiley you are damn wrong!&#8221;, and trust me you will get tons of replies :)</p>
<p>But then again if you don&#8217;t get many comments on your blog, does not mean that your posts are not being challenged or appreciated elsewhere.</p>
<p>For example, I don&#8217;t get many comments either, but I have come to discover that many of my posts are being shared and talked about here and there in other blogs/sites and retweeted on Twitter quite often.</p>
<p>But as people continue to discover you (and your ideas) and you challenge other educators on their blog (comments), I believe comments will increase and eventually your ideas will be torn apart.</p>
<p>For example, you statement, &#8220;&#8230;I thought the 45 page PhD thesis was very short.&#8221; is such a rubbish and poor argument :)</p>
<p>Why is a 45-page PhD thesis very short? Is it short, because most other PhD thesis babble for 200 pages, when they could perhaps have made their argument in 5 to 10 pages. </p>
<p>What has the length of a paper to do with getting a PhD or fulfilling the requirements of a PhD thesis? Do I have to write more than 50,000 words (some places a requirement), if I could do it in 10,000 words? Could I get a PhD writing just 5 pages? </p>
<p>What is really the objective of a PhD anyway? </p>
<p>I suppose one can tear apart what I just said :)</p>
<p>Have a great day discovering and learning :)</p>
<p>Warm Regards,</p>
<p>Zaid</p>
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		<title>By: Turadg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turadg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur, Stian.  And I think it&#039;s important that we provide feedback to each other even when we don&#039;t have anything interesting to add, such as this comment I&#039;m making.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur, Stian.  And I think it&#8217;s important that we provide feedback to each other even when we don&#8217;t have anything interesting to add, such as this comment I&#8217;m making.  :)</p>
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