Comments on: 407 Indonesian textbooks openly available http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/03/19/407-indonesian-textbooks-openly-available/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 13 May 2012 01:00:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Random Stuff that Matters » Blog Archive » Encouraging sharing without getting all lawyery http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/03/19/407-indonesian-textbooks-openly-available/comment-page-1/#comment-2337 Random Stuff that Matters » Blog Archive » Encouraging sharing without getting all lawyery Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:18:37 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=304#comment-2337 [...] hand, there is a lot of great material being released “openly” in for example India, Indonesia and China, but none of this material uses an open license, and I would really love if it could. On [...] [...] hand, there is a lot of great material being released “openly” in for example India, Indonesia and China, but none of this material uses an open license, and I would really love if it could. On [...]

]]> By: Espen Stranger-Johannessen http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/03/19/407-indonesian-textbooks-openly-available/comment-page-1/#comment-2099 Espen Stranger-Johannessen Mon, 18 May 2009 06:17:01 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=304#comment-2099 This makes me think of the possibilities of making open sources textbooks (or proto-textbooks) for other countries as well. Say people (such as teachers) used a wiki to make a textbook in thrird year math for Kenya. This could serve as a proto-textbook for math in other countries, and one could make the appropriate adaptions, even translations. By focusing on chapters rather than whole textbooks that are supposed to cover the curriculum for one year, it will probably easier for teachers to adapt it to their purpose, and small booklets can easily be made on a chapter or topic basis (i.e., multiplication). Having pictures from other such books could also be very helpful. I don' need to understand a word of Bahasa Indonesian so make use of one of the nice pictures in the these books! So, Stian, how about spending a rainy day on making such a wiki? I promise I will contribute by writing something! Espen This makes me think of the possibilities of making open sources textbooks (or proto-textbooks) for other countries as well. Say people (such as teachers) used a wiki to make a textbook in thrird year math for Kenya. This could serve as a proto-textbook for math in other countries, and one could make the appropriate adaptions, even translations. By focusing on chapters rather than whole textbooks that are supposed to cover the curriculum for one year, it will probably easier for teachers to adapt it to their purpose, and small booklets can easily be made on a chapter or topic basis (i.e., multiplication). Having pictures from other such books could also be very helpful. I don’ need to understand a word of Bahasa Indonesian so make use of one of the nice pictures in the these books!

So, Stian, how about spending a rainy day on making such a wiki? I promise I will contribute by writing something!

Espen

]]> By: L.T. Handoko http://reganmian.net/blog/2009/03/19/407-indonesian-textbooks-openly-available/comment-page-1/#comment-1951 L.T. Handoko Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:37:51 +0000 http://reganmian.net/blog/?p=304#comment-1951 Thanks a lot for your great attention to our country. Your ideas and suggestions are very wonderful. I would like to make some comments : 1) You are correct that the terms and conditions are intended for commercial purpose of the books, not for the personal users. 2) So the website is not the single source for the books. You can find many mirrors at some universities across Indonesia in which you don't need to register yourself etc. Or, you can find it at our BUKU-e LIPI (http://www.buku-e.lipi.go.id) which is also mirroring all of the books but with different perspective. Because BUKU-e LIPI is intended for more general open books related to both science and scientific education. 3) Even the books are open and fully free, all of the contents should and have passed certain standard of quality by BSNP (http://www.bsnp-indonesia.org) who is an independent body. Note : the Minister of National Education in Indonesia now is no longer super body, they must not make any regulation on substances o education system, and just follow the standard determined by BSNP and are responsible for the technical implementations. 4) Your suggestion to make the books to be fully open, including the sources are very nice. However, even now everyone is basically still free to use the whole / part of the books just like the Creative Commons license. Even the teachers are allowed to make their own textbooks based on the part of official textbooks, etc. Your idea to make a "wiki-like" system is very great. This is of course allowed, but it has not been implemented yet due to technical limitations, especially of the writers who are not always familiar with the internet technology. Technically, the approach has been implemented fully at BUKU-e LIPI. 5) One of the idea behind the open textbook is to eliminate the cheating price created by the publishers and the teachers that was very common phenomena in the past. So, setting the maximum price would prevent it. For the private schools they are free to choose the textbooks. But, for state owned schools, they are allowed to purchase the textbooks which have obtained BSNP's certificates, it does not matter the books are from the freely available open textbooks or not. 6) At BUKU-e LIPI, as mentioned above, you can find similar open-books with opportunities for the readers to give feedbacks, having discussions with the authors interactively in forum-like approach, not the wiki-like. The sources are also available if the author wish to open it. The open textbooks with such scale might be the first attempt around the world. We are welcome your encouraging comments... Thx ! Thanks a lot for your great attention to our country. Your ideas and suggestions are very wonderful.

I would like to make some comments :

1) You are correct that the terms and conditions are intended for commercial purpose of the books, not for the personal users.

2) So the website is not the single source for the books. You can find many mirrors at some universities across Indonesia in which you don’t need to register yourself etc. Or, you can find it at our BUKU-e LIPI (http://www.buku-e.lipi.go.id) which is also mirroring all of the books but with different perspective. Because BUKU-e LIPI is intended for more general open books related to both science and scientific education.

3) Even the books are open and fully free, all of the contents should and have passed certain standard of quality by BSNP (http://www.bsnp-indonesia.org) who is an independent body. Note : the Minister of National Education in Indonesia now is no longer super body, they must not make any regulation on substances o education system, and just follow the standard determined by BSNP and are responsible for the technical implementations.

4) Your suggestion to make the books to be fully open, including the sources are very nice. However, even now everyone is basically still free to use the whole / part of the books just like the Creative Commons license. Even the teachers are allowed to make their own textbooks based on the part of official textbooks, etc.
Your idea to make a “wiki-like” system is very great. This is of course allowed, but it has not been implemented yet due to technical limitations, especially of the writers who are not always familiar with the internet technology. Technically, the approach has been implemented fully at BUKU-e LIPI.

5) One of the idea behind the open textbook is to eliminate the cheating price created by the publishers and the teachers that was very common phenomena in the past. So, setting the maximum price would prevent it. For the private schools they are free to choose the textbooks. But, for state owned schools, they are allowed to purchase the textbooks which have obtained BSNP’s certificates, it does not matter the books are from the freely available open textbooks or not.

6) At BUKU-e LIPI, as mentioned above, you can find similar open-books with opportunities for the readers to give feedbacks, having discussions with the authors interactively in forum-like approach, not the wiki-like. The sources are also available if the author wish to open it.

The open textbooks with such scale might be the first attempt around the world. We are welcome your encouraging comments… Thx !

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