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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tord Steiro</title>
		<link>http://reganmian.net/blog/2008/06/27/can-one-party-systems-be-more-accountable-than-democracies/#comment-23149</link>
		<dc:creator>Tord Steiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hei Stian!

I looked back on this piece to check up any new comments (which where less interesting than I hoped) and to add a tip: Ibn Khaldoun's classic work The Muqaddimah takes on the cycles of degenrating morals and acocutnability on behalf og governing dynasties, and subsequently how these dynasties raise and fall. 

It is very interesting to read advanced theories about these cycles from a contemporary commentator, and I am sure you, or anyone else reading this blog, will find it more than interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hei Stian!</p>
<p>I looked back on this piece to check up any new comments (which where less interesting than I hoped) and to add a tip: Ibn Khaldoun&#8217;s classic work The Muqaddimah takes on the cycles of degenrating morals and acocutnability on behalf og governing dynasties, and subsequently how these dynasties raise and fall. </p>
<p>It is very interesting to read advanced theories about these cycles from a contemporary commentator, and I am sure you, or anyone else reading this blog, will find it more than interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: John Boy</title>
		<link>http://reganmian.net/blog/2008/06/27/can-one-party-systems-be-more-accountable-than-democracies/#comment-23141</link>
		<dc:creator>John Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say thanks for such an interesting piece, i had to do a little research on China's one party system and the economic development of the region and have taken some of your ideas on board.

Thanks again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say thanks for such an interesting piece, i had to do a little research on China&#8217;s one party system and the economic development of the region and have taken some of your ideas on board.</p>
<p>Thanks again</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you said, I quote "Because the leaders of China are not out for personal enrichment at all...". 

That is pretty the most critical criterion be it autocracy or democracy. They do not have to amass wealth because they are pretty much already taken care of. The test will come  happen if the country has prospered enough and the leaders fall into the temptation of nepotism and cronyism as is happening in Singapore where the leaders justify their status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you said, I quote &#8220;Because the leaders of China are not out for personal enrichment at all&#8230;&#8221;. </p>
<p>That is pretty the most critical criterion be it autocracy or democracy. They do not have to amass wealth because they are pretty much already taken care of. The test will come  happen if the country has prospered enough and the leaders fall into the temptation of nepotism and cronyism as is happening in Singapore where the leaders justify their status.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed this has been in my mind for a long time too. I think East Asian nations, such as China, Japan, Singapore, etc, are valuing political stability. You can see that in Japan and Singapore, the dominant parties have ruled for a long time. In China, there is only one party, but if there is factions in the CCP. If the leaders fail, then those factions will certainly ask them to take responsibility. In a way, the CCP is far more accountable than most governments in other "democratic" nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed this has been in my mind for a long time too. I think East Asian nations, such as China, Japan, Singapore, etc, are valuing political stability. You can see that in Japan and Singapore, the dominant parties have ruled for a long time. In China, there is only one party, but if there is factions in the CCP. If the leaders fail, then those factions will certainly ask them to take responsibility. In a way, the CCP is far more accountable than most governments in other &#8220;democratic&#8221; nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Tord Steiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tord Steiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, now I am done ;)

I don't think it is all up to the time-perspective of autocratic leaders that decides whether they are "good" or "bad". Dani Rodrik writes interestingly on the topic in his excellent book "One economics, Many recipes", which I would claim is the best book on development issued to date. his findings suggests that autocratic regimes are risky - they can be good for a while, but then deteriorate sharply in face of any external shocks. this is something that democracies will not do - they will give you stability. It is probably the process of changing policies in order to adapt to changes in environment that is the issue, and autocracies are not very good at this, while democracies are. Again, I suggests that it is the institutional arrangements for accountability, in combination with the degree of overall political debate, that makes democracies superior. Not elections as such. However, in the defence of elections, they certainly stimulate political debate, which again proves to be crucial in order to find creative solutions to novel problems. 

Some of the claims in his book is partly based on the findings in this paper: http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~drodrik/democracy.pdf

And for more on the capabilities of our Western media, take a look at this: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/alisa_miller_shares_the_news_about_the_news.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, now I am done <img src='http://reganmian.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is all up to the time-perspective of autocratic leaders that decides whether they are &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;bad&#8221;. Dani Rodrik writes interestingly on the topic in his excellent book &#8220;One economics, Many recipes&#8221;, which I would claim is the best book on development issued to date. his findings suggests that autocratic regimes are risky - they can be good for a while, but then deteriorate sharply in face of any external shocks. this is something that democracies will not do - they will give you stability. It is probably the process of changing policies in order to adapt to changes in environment that is the issue, and autocracies are not very good at this, while democracies are. Again, I suggests that it is the institutional arrangements for accountability, in combination with the degree of overall political debate, that makes democracies superior. Not elections as such. However, in the defence of elections, they certainly stimulate political debate, which again proves to be crucial in order to find creative solutions to novel problems. </p>
<p>Some of the claims in his book is partly based on the findings in this paper: <a href="http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~drodrik/democracy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~drodrik/democracy.pdf</a></p>
<p>And for more on the capabilities of our Western media, take a look at this: <a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/alisa_miller_shares_the_news_about_the_news.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/alisa_miller_shares_the_news_about_the_news.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tord Steiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tord Steiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grattis med dagen som var, forresten ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grattis med dagen som var, forresten <img src='http://reganmian.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tord Steiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tord Steiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I am sorry I did not read the entire post yet, however, I would like to make one interesting comment:

Paul collier finds that, when correlating democracy to how resource wealth is managed in poor countries, democracy had a clear positive effect. However, when democracy was split in to parts, 1. Free, responsible, and able press, and 2. a free electoral process, the latter showed to contribute significantly, and largely, to reckless populism and very poor development indicators, while the first, the press, proved to constrain mamagement to a more coherent level. 

The lesson he learned from his material is this: If you want to escape the resource curse, a free and able press is important, while elections actually makes matters worse. The combination of an able press and elections still proves to be superior to dictatorships, but it is the press that brings in the improvements, while the elections simply appears to be a nuisance.

I suppose your experiences from India and China, although none of these countries can be regarded as resource-rich, may show a more general validity of this claim. Accountability is more important elections, so ensuring accountability through a different institutional arrangement than elections can be very beneficial.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/speakers/paul_collier.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I am sorry I did not read the entire post yet, however, I would like to make one interesting comment:</p>
<p>Paul collier finds that, when correlating democracy to how resource wealth is managed in poor countries, democracy had a clear positive effect. However, when democracy was split in to parts, 1. Free, responsible, and able press, and 2. a free electoral process, the latter showed to contribute significantly, and largely, to reckless populism and very poor development indicators, while the first, the press, proved to constrain mamagement to a more coherent level. </p>
<p>The lesson he learned from his material is this: If you want to escape the resource curse, a free and able press is important, while elections actually makes matters worse. The combination of an able press and elections still proves to be superior to dictatorships, but it is the press that brings in the improvements, while the elections simply appears to be a nuisance.</p>
<p>I suppose your experiences from India and China, although none of these countries can be regarded as resource-rich, may show a more general validity of this claim. Accountability is more important elections, so ensuring accountability through a different institutional arrangement than elections can be very beneficial.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/speakers/paul_collier.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/index.php/speakers/paul_collier.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: lemongrasschicken</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nope, won't comment on the issues of democracy as you know I feel inadequate on the topic. but the mustachioed movie stars-now that is something! and I had to look up moped in wikipedia. please post some pictures to give a sense of which kind it is. the more bike-like or the more scooter-like one. hope your birthday was unforgettable!!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nope, won&#8217;t comment on the issues of democracy as you know I feel inadequate on the topic. but the mustachioed movie stars-now that is something! and I had to look up moped in wikipedia. please post some pictures to give a sense of which kind it is. the more bike-like or the more scooter-like one. hope your birthday was unforgettable!!! <img src='http://reganmian.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The starkest reminder comes from the numbers.  In 1950, India had a per-capita GDP twice that of China's.  In 2000, China had a per-capita GDP twice that of India's.  Mind you, this was with all sorts of handicaps: 30 years of Communism, a war with the United States in 1950-53, a famine in 1958-60, the Cultural Revolution from 1966-76.  India has had wars with Pakistan, famines here and there, socialist economics under Nehru et al -- but none of them as catastrophic as what befell China.

Consider that (1) Chinese economic growth continues to edge out Indian growth by two percentage points (2) compound interest makes for miraculous changes over long periods of time (3) India continues to have high population growth.  If something isn't done in the next fifty years, India will keep falling farther than farther behind China.

One thing you didn't mention -- One of the most distinctive features of Indian democracy is the bias *against* incumbents.  (Incumbents in most other democracies have an advantage over challengers.)  The lure of reelection is a powerful spur to politicians to do a good job, or at least a better-than-crappy job.  But, if you know you've only got one term, why bother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The starkest reminder comes from the numbers.  In 1950, India had a per-capita GDP twice that of China&#8217;s.  In 2000, China had a per-capita GDP twice that of India&#8217;s.  Mind you, this was with all sorts of handicaps: 30 years of Communism, a war with the United States in 1950-53, a famine in 1958-60, the Cultural Revolution from 1966-76.  India has had wars with Pakistan, famines here and there, socialist economics under Nehru et al &#8212; but none of them as catastrophic as what befell China.</p>
<p>Consider that (1) Chinese economic growth continues to edge out Indian growth by two percentage points (2) compound interest makes for miraculous changes over long periods of time (3) India continues to have high population growth.  If something isn&#8217;t done in the next fifty years, India will keep falling farther than farther behind China.</p>
<p>One thing you didn&#8217;t mention &#8212; One of the most distinctive features of Indian democracy is the bias *against* incumbents.  (Incumbents in most other democracies have an advantage over challengers.)  The lure of reelection is a powerful spur to politicians to do a good job, or at least a better-than-crappy job.  But, if you know you&#8217;ve only got one term, why bother?</p>
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